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Just so you know where I stand:

I believe BSV is the best version of Bitcoin and I hope it wins everything.

I am 95% certain that Craig Wright is Satoshi.

I just love calling out bullshit wherever I see it. It's good for BSV to call out bullshit in its own ranks.

Yes, you should be free calling out whatever you want, but you are not free to believe that this call is not bullshit:
BSV needs to separate as much from Satoshi Nakamoto as possible.
Everyone's belief is predetermined.

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WTF does that graph even mean? Please explain it so I can understand it fully. And what is the source of the data?

Oh Jeez, yet another shitcoin that misses the point. Can't blame anyone for creating more though - given recently we're at the phase of the game where anyone can create a shitcoin and pump it to a $500m+ valuation without much effort.
The people who lament central bank inflation are the same people who dilute Bitcoin by hyper inflating Bitcoin with a hundred thousand shitcoins.
 
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BSV needs to separate as much from Satoshi Nakamoto as possible.
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It seems to me that the person that is Craig Wright aka Satoshi Nakamoto has changed.

I recognize his contributions for sure. At this point, though, I'm not sure whether his contribution is net positive or net negative.

I also think it's a difference whether you dissociate from a person (I don't necessarily advocate for that) or from individual actions (I think that would be wise).
 

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shows moneyflow in and out of bsv last 24 hours.

my interpretation of the data; tether is crucial to bsv volume and this price action is highly dependant on tether.

bsv is not unique in this regard
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that @micropresident is launching a project outside of BCHA is a good thing, the timing is right for a scammy pump, its entertaining watching @deadalnix suck money out of a shit project that appears frozen in time
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ironically, after getting not getting listed on coinbase.com for threatening to reorg exchanges abc blocks and no spending om bch until 2026, and suing hodlnaut and losing listings on kraken, binance, etc

and securing the delosting on coinbase by blogging about helping sue coinbase over xrp, bsv price desperately relies on tether.
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@micropresident is rather agreeable, its a testament to how poor @deadalnix leadership skills are that he cannot retain anyone
 
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Caalpitulation:
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Calvin is saying he expects BTC to stay high and prosper. Destruction of BTC has been called off permanently.

Starts at 23.50

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what caalvin is selling, i dont give a fuck about. he got his ass handed to him. he should stop being a replyguy on twitter.

he should mine one bsv block per hour lmao
Not capitulation, rebranding. He's using kung fu and talking about turning the power of his competitors against them. That's just good business practice. You don't condemn your competitors, you just play smarter. Whether you cal BitCoin a blockchain or a sidechain is up to the marketing department.
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Bitcoin SV doesn't need to be traded on the market because it has its own intrinsic value and doesn't need a speculator exchange. Internet services running on metanet can be rented with your crypt0 or credit cards.
 
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it needs many pools of liquidity in the market to obtain mindshare, ie any and all exchanges.

it isnt to benefit the protcol, but to increase accessibility.

without it, bsv can be the best protocol in the world which never gained meaningful adoption
 

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it needs many pools of liquidity in the market to obtain mindshare, ie any and all exchanges.

it isnt to benefit the protcol, but to increase accessibility.

without it, bsv can be the best protocol in the world which never gained meaningful adoption
LOL... give me a moment.... LOL
Oh yes, my http packet bags are weighing heavy without a fiat exchange to dump them. LOL
Oh that's right, I pay my ISP with a credit card to transmit them. Then they in turn rent bandwidth pipes to transmit them, and so on. If only there were a way to streamline this system of packet monetization so that bandwidth could be rented using a more efficient payment system that scales?
 
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LOL... give me a moment.... LOL
If there is no opportunity to speculate on the success of the protocol - i.e. - the price of the BSV token, there is no need to discuss it, just use the protocol and create wealth - then - profit. In the scenario devoid of speculation on the token, any benefit goes to the business who use the technology and the users just benefit from market competition.

I think you are wrong about Bitcoin. The integrity of the immutable ledger is ensured by the value of the token not the market rate for digital service provided by your ISP.

Bitcoin is first and foremost currency, aka cash, aka money, money is an information network used to regulate supply and demand, Bitcoin can do this because it is is digital cash, and if it's to be adopted by internet users, then the 18M tokens already mined are going to go up in price and by a lot! ...and they're going to need to be distributed, - widely!
 

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If there is no opportunity to speculate on the success of the protocol - i.e. - the price of the BSV token, there is no need to discuss it, just use the protocol and create wealth - then - profit. In the scenario devoid of speculation on the token, any benefit goes to the business who use the technology and the users just benefit from market competition.

I think you are wrong about Bitcoin. The integrity of the immutable ledger is ensured by the value of the token not the market rate for digital service provided by your ISP.

Bitcoin is first and foremost currency, aka cash, aka money, money is an information network used to regulate supply and demand, Bitcoin can do this because it is is digital cash, and if it's to be adopted by internet users, then the 18M tokens already mined are going to go up in price and by a lot! ...and they're going to need to be distributed, - widely!
Such a binary way of looking at the world. But if you parse your line of thought, it is correct, just not the way you think. Firstly, yes if you need to build a market, then it helps to build a product first. Don't count on venture capitalists or speculators to fund you. Bootstrapping can be far more profitable for the enterprise.

Secondly, there is a market for BSV amongst the capitalist class. As I mentioned they will probably create a Rentier Economy based on the real estate demand for secure data. Since they will have superior security tech, it will likely be in demand and enterprises will be happy to develop that economy. In fact, they won't even have to hold BSV either, they can also rent through contracts from stakeholders and miners.

Yes, BitCoin is digital cash, but just the USD, you don't actually own the bills. The government can make them invalid at any time. In this case, the government is the miners, and while it's highly unlikely such a thing would happen as CSW pontificates about, it's far more likely you will only be allowed to use bitcoins with a license aka AML/KYC. Enter the complete tokenization of BitCoin as tokens for plebs, and fuel for Federalized Data Banks.
 

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The government can make them invalid at any time.
This type of uncertainty is going to kill BSV, the Chinese with their CBDC will be as trustworthy as, if not more trustworthy, than Western Governments and their KYC licence required to use money. Have you read Ayn Rand?

CSW and the other socialists who think governments know best like creating money out of nothing and subsidizing industries and popular culture is going to drive people to find a better world, One where Bitcoin can be digital cash.
venture capitalists
who's ever relied on venture capitalists (more like vulture not venture)
or speculators
Entrepreneurs and capitalists are the speculators, that's what they do, they take the risks and do things that may or may not work, the CSW cult followers are missing the forest for the trees.
Secondly, there is a market for BSV amongst the capitalist class.
I'm not seeing it, I see people using words, but I don't see any capitalists just a billionaire venture capitalists and nChain funding a few good ideas. No bootstrapping going on there.
 
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This type of uncertainty is going to kill BSV, the Chinese with their CBDC will be as trustworthy as, if not more trustworthy, than Western Governments and their KYC licence required to use money. Have you read Ayn Rand?
You're conflating two different issues. Certainly, China will embrace Bitcoin as a network for the Nakamoto consensus. Recognizing what is and isn't currency is entirely different. China is way ahead of you. They already ruled about Bitcoin and I don't see anything changing except they will probably prefer BSV and force registered wallets rather than allow stakeholder sidechains. Woe to a Chinese man that failed to fulfil a sidechain contract.

CSW and the other socialists who think governments know best like creating money out of nothing and subsidizing industries and popular culture is going to drive people to find a better world, One where Bitcoin can be digital cash.
Pure confabulation. Never once have I heard such a claim. Besides, who is advocating government? Do you mean laws? Are you saying laws are never good?

who's ever relied on venture capitalists (more like vulture not venture)
Many developers in every major tech industry though I do get most of my business education from TV shows like Silicon Valley. 😁

Entrepreneurs and capitalists are the speculators, that's what they do, they take the risks and do things that may or may not work, the CSW cult followers are missing the forest for the trees.

I'm not seeing it, I see people using words, but I don't see any capitalists just a billionaire venture capitalists and nChain funding a few good ideas. No bootstrapping going on there.
On this, we agree. But most of them don't tip their hand until something big happens. Do you think there aren't enterprise developers with deep pockets not looking into CSWs claims? I'm not a cultist. I like the tech. Time will tell, but smart money invests before the crowd.
 

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You're conflating two different issues.
"Nakamoto consensus" only works when the token is valued. The higher the price the more valuable the blockchain, there is no "Nakamoto consensus" if "The government can make them invalid at any time."

why bother with PoW just use PoS, if the government can have a say.

Recognizing what is and isn't currency is entirely different.
Let me quote the common law definition of currency, (there is a legislated definition that CSW tryes to pass off as the anarchic definition to serve his socialist agenda, don't believe him, do your own research.

A currency in the most specific sense is money in any form when in use or circulation as a medium of exchange it comes from From Middle English: curraunt, "in circulation", from Latin: , -entis, literally meaning "running" or "traversing"

Never once have I heard such a claim.
Just listen to what CSW says about government fiat and why it's good and why bitcoin is not a currency, he does not call himself a socialist, but if one was to rank socialist behaviours, making fiat out of nothing to spend it on "programs," is socialist and a CSW value. It is at the top of the socialist hierarchy, it literally destroys Capitalism every time in history. So undermining a value native to Bitcoin and supporting the ultimate government tool to implement socialism makes one a socialist. Even if you claim to be a capitalist it's just a word salard when you confuse definitions like CSW does.
Time will tell, but smart money invests before the crowd.
"invest" as in investing and speculation on the token are two very different ideas. People invest in mining hardware - they don't necessarily invest in the token, Taal spent $3,000,000,000 of CSW's BSV as a loan because, I presume he wanted them to short it and mine it back, that's effectively money laundering across jurisdictional boundaries to avoid Tax. They invested the money in mining hardware by selling the BSV. They may never mine back the BSV, they could use it to mine BTC and probably do, also. The value was denominated in dollars probably because they value dollars more than the BSV.
 
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LOL... give me a moment.... LOL
Oh yes, my http packet bags are weighing heavy without a fiat exchange to dump them. LOL
Oh that's right, I pay my ISP with a credit card to transmit them. Then they in turn rent bandwidth pipes to transmit them, and so on. If only there were a way to streamline this system of packet monetization so that bandwidth could be rented using a more efficient payment system that scales?
when did your narrative for bitcoin stop needing a market? I would argue it was after it lost most of the markets.
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A great majority of the disdain in present bsociety for things like exchanges and silicon valley stems from CSW's delicate and repetitively damaged ego.

'we dont need markets, we dont need users, we are so superior that we have already won'

over here in reality; without a good standing in the market bolstered by a growing userbase (who primarily access tokens through marketplaces bsv is not in), there is few enterprise individuals interested.

If one were to say, take a fucking look at the various projects and the varying levels of interest in them, it would be obvious.
 
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BCH was created specifically to fork off in order to dodge segwit and increase the size of blocks.

Shortly after CSW joined the fork.

@freetrader and @deadalnix made it happen.

ultimately BCH forked csw off, or csw forked BSV off, idk, but its a fork of a fork.

BTC also implemented a fork.

whether or not BTC is a fork, BSV is a fork of a fork.

Whether or not BTC is in compliance with all aspects of the bitcoin whitepaper, BSV doesnt calculate the difficulty the same nor does it respect the consensus mechanism described in the whitepaper.

BSV would need to have the correct difficulty retargeting and heaviest weighted chain to comply with the whitepaper as far as i understand it. That is what makes it possible for nodes to 'leave and rejoin the network accepting such and such as proof of what happened while they were gone'
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I don't want to give people the wrong idea, I like BSV, I'm just repelled by the CSW cult narrative that's repeated without thinking.

Bitcoin is first and foremost digital cash, money, money is a unit of account, money is in itself an information network, it provides information to allow humans to cooperate to prioritize and solve our most pressing needs.

Bitcoin is both money and information, it's 2 in one. CSW is just fooling people, bluffing TPTB, or he just got lucky. Either way, you have to stay focused, we need better information systems and to be free we need to uncouple TPTB's ability to manipulate people. BSV is Bitcoin, but the idiots who propose to know what that is are advocating for something that'll never work.
 
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adam back and craig wright ought to perhaps get together and collaborate on a section of a new bitcoin whitepaper in which 'honest nodes' can 'protect themselves from an overtly funded hashrate attack' in 'bunker mode'.

because 'honest nodes' who only follow the 'honest chain' arent implemented in the codebase afaik, and court is slow, so the means to protect BSV from reputational damage stemming from repeated chain reorganizations is rather weak at this moment, and the remedies quite slow.
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idgaf what people think of me, i love you all, i just bought small amount of bsv around 300, lfg
 
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@freetrader and @deadalnix made it happen.
That's just as delusional, they did not make it happen, the inertia of investors and entrepreneurs wanting to preserve bitcoin made it happen, mainly the people who exchanged one Bitcoin for the other made it happen.
 
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nah they literally made it happen
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im not disagreeing though with your points

it would be meaningless without massive purchases at market that occured
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almost all of the major components of the bsociety narrative are foot-shooting garbage
 
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CSW and the other socialists who think governments know best like creating money out of nothing and subsidizing industries and popular culture is going to drive people to find a better world, One where Bitcoin can be digital cash.
Ancap fantasies. Money creation is credit creation, which is proof of work. Societies who create a lot of credit (debt), create a lot of money at the same time, because it's essentially the same. Venezuela, Zimbabwe on the other hand don't, hence their governments are not able to create money. They would be happy if your theory were real. It's never the government that creates money. You can't create money out of nothing.
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