Coronavirus: COVID-19 pandemic and lockdown

[Zarathustra]

Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi: A society that decides and implements such grotesque measures commits suicide.





It is absolutely incomprehensible to me how adult people cannot recognize this obviousness. Interview unfortunately only in German.

Why the high death rate in Italy? Italy, like China, has catastrophic air pollution. The lungs of people in Lombardy are as bad as in China. Northern Italy is the China of Europe.

 

[rocks]

A great read on the topic

 

[BldSwtTrs]

Another great read:

 

[Zarathustra]

Yes, that perfectly sums up the suicide strategy of the western leaders and the marching sheep and lemmings behind them.
Trying to lockdown a hyper-complex just-in-time society for several months is like trying to freeze a citizen, or shut down a pregnancy for several months. In the real world, it's an abortion.
The chance that it will be realized early enough seems pretty small to me at the moment.

"In order to be an immaculate member of a flock of sheep, one must above all be a sheep oneself."

Albert Einstein

Around 2'000 years ago, the society in Rome collapsed from 1 million inhabitants to 10'000. Sheep were grazing in the abandoned parks.

The first wild boars are said to be on the move in Barcelona ...

 

[kostialevin]

The lockdown can also be an occasion to improve and change for the better.
Here I see an explosion use of Hangout, Skype and others. My children go on with the school via Google Classroom, piano and guitar lessons via Skype. I work every day more than before.

It's impossible to survive locked down, I agree that the damage can be enormous, but one of the biggest hallmark of humanity is the capacity to adapt to adverse conditions.
Maybe we'll see mask from Prada..

In situations like this, choices are always difficult because the alternative is impossible to test.

 

[Zarathustra]

Another great read:

If we do nothing: Everybody gets infected, the healthcare system gets overwhelmed, the mortality explodes, and ~10 million people die (blue bars). For the back-of-the-envelope numbers: if ~75% of Americans get infected and 4% die, that’s 10 million deaths, or around 25 times the number of US deaths in World War II.

In contrast to such science fiction, Iceland is doing science:

OK, let’s get to the results.

“deCode has published the results of a total of 5 490 tests. Those have yielded 47 positive results (0.86%) indicating that the prevelance (sic) of the virus is modest among the general population,” the Government of Iceland reports. “A total of 409 cases have been identified in Iceland since the first case on February 28th. One person with COVID-19 has died. Six individuals with COVID-19 are hospitalized, one in intensive care.”

Iceland is Doing Science — ~50% of People with COVID-19 Not Showing Symptoms, ~50% Have Very Moderate Cold Symptoms [UPDATED] | CleanTechnica

Science: do it. Iceland has decided to jump right into proper scientific methodology in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, rather than "panic now and evaluate later." The country, which has followed similar social distancing strategies as other European nations, has been conducting a random...

cleantechnica.com

Extrapolated, around 3'000 inhabitants are infected in Iceland. One (1 !) person died. Six (6 !) are hospitalised.
If Iceland were to do science fiction instead of science, they would spread such panic, and their citizens would also run to the hospitals and disrupt operations whenever they cough, and staff would also be quarantined instead of going at work. But they don't. Not stupid, those Icelanders.

 

[Zarathustra]

Pollution hot spots, the Chinas (= destroyed lungs) of Europe: Lombardia, Emilia Romagna, Madrid
Covid 19 hot spots: Lombardia, Emilia Romagna, Madrid

Who would have thought ...

Yes, yes, fight that evil devil, the flu virus. Fight the effect, don't fight the cause, you hopeless society!

 

[Christoph Bergmann]

Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi: A society that decides and implements such grotesque measures commits suicide.





It is absolutely incomprehensible to me how adult people cannot recognize this obviousness. Interview unfortunately only in German.

Why the high death rate in Italy? Italy, like China, has catastrophic air pollution. The lungs of people in Lombardy are as bad as in China. Italy is the China of Europe.

This was the best video I saw about Corona yet. The man is a doctor, having multiple prizes in medicine, led multiple federal medical corporations in Germany.

He says: every day already 22 people above 65 are dying and have Corona viruses we already know. Worst case of covid19 is that 30 people die each day.

He also says: the stay at home thing will increase the death toll, because it reduces the chances of the above 65 year old to not be one of the 22 dying each day by having a social live, doing Sport outside and so on. And he mentions that risk of economic downturn for healths, without giving numbers (which makes him more serious, as he is not an expert for this).

Thus, he calls the measures horrendous, grotesque and a collective suicide.

 

[cypherdoc]

most over 65yo's get their exercise from walking. that hasn't changed. social gatherings, not so much, unless they're heavily into bingo or cards i guess. everyone can still hike, run, ride your bikes, swim, etc. i play golf. everyone is out on the course having a good time while maintaining 6ft spread. now, quarantining is a different story. there's a tradeoff there, freedom of the individual vs societal benefit. tough choice but wise for now for a highly contagious virus.

yes, we should be developing systems for viral contagions going forward, since this isn't the last time we'll see this. shutting down the global economy can't be a repeatable long term strategy going forward. i think entire industries will retool their labor forces to work remotely, perhaps even permanently after this covid crisis abates. i'm telling kids/younger folk to look for new business opportunities.

 

[kyuupichan]

A great read on the topic

Sorry tried to view that in 3 browsers, whatever it is is just blank. Assuming not a joke post.

So what's going on with BTAX? Is it on or not?

 

[rocks]

Sorry tried to view that in 3 browsers, whatever it is is just blank. Assuming not a joke post.

Apparently it was taken down for "violating" medium's rules. It was a great overview of data from multiple hospital and government sources, the same as you see everywhere else, with discussion on what they mean.

Zerohedge had a copy and hosts it now.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-evidence-over-hysteria

Read it and then see if you can find the rules it broke that justify censorship, we've seen this before in this forum....

 

[kostialevin]

Pollution hot spots, the Chinas (= destroyed lungs) of Europe: Lombardia, Emilia Romagna, Madrid
Covid 19 hot spots: Lombardia, Emilia Romagna, Madrid

Who would have thought ...

Yes, yes, fight that evil devil, the flu virus. Fight the effect, don't fight the cause, you hopeless society!

Let's see how many places will be the China of the World..

Trump: Emergency hospitals, medical supplies coming to New York

President Trump on Sunday announced that four emergency hospitals and much-needed medical supplies are on their way to New York to help combat the coronavirus outbreak. Trump said he had activated …

nypost.com

 

[Bloomie]

see if you can find the rules it broke that justify censorship, we've seen this before in this forum....

I didn't quite understand that. You've seen censorship here?

 

[Zarathustra]

most over 65yo's get their exercise from walking. that hasn't changed. social gatherings, not so much, unless they're heavily into bingo or cards i guess. everyone can still hike, run, ride your bikes, swim, etc. i play golf. everyone is out on the course having a good time while maintaining 6ft spread.

Only if a dog takes care of you.

while the hardest-hit region of Lombardy has banned any outdoor exercise not on personal property and set distance limits on dog-walking.
As of Sunday, the maximum radius for dog walking was set at 200 meters, and all outdoor sport that cannot be practiced at home was banned ...

@rocks
The totalitarian mainstream media and politicians force dissident opinions onto the arms of dubious media. Then they defame the dissidents by arguing that they are untrustworthy because they publish their opinions on dubious media.

 

[Zarathustra]

Let's see how many places will be the China of the World..

Trump: Emergency hospitals, medical supplies coming to New York

President Trump on Sunday announced that four emergency hospitals and much-needed medical supplies are on their way to New York to help combat the coronavirus outbreak. Trump said he had activated …

nypost.com

Yes, there are more.
For many, especially men, the catastrophic air is not enough. In addition, they try to destroy their lungs with cigarettes.
Or people double, tripple and quadrupple their normal weight with junk food. You cannot fight the Chinese virus with American food. And then expect The New Idol to bail them out with a GDP shutdown* and a lung machine! That's the reason why the situation in places like Iceland or Norway, where the mortality is 0.3% so far, will be different than in other places. “China was found to be one of the countries with the highest male-to-female ratio of smoking prevalence”: 74% of males and 8% of females were smokers.

Stupid Yellow Men in competition with Stupid White Men ...

*Real estate billionaire Tom Barrack

Depressed revenues will increasingly depress, and when combined with hiccups in the credit markets, borrowing costs will continue to skyrocket, further compounding the inability of businesses to support jobs. Without jobs, Americans will be unable to make payments on their mortgages, rent, credit cards, and automobiles; to acquire goods and services; and, to spend money at restaurants and coffee shops and in support of the gig economy. If not immediately addressed, this cycle cascades into chaos.

(...) loan repayment demands are likely to escalate on a systemic level, triggering a domino effect of borrower defaults that will swiftly and severely impact the broad range of stakeholders in the entire real estate market, including property and home owners, landlords, developers, hotel operators and their respective tenants and employees. At a moment when liquidity is essential to avert public panic and to facilitate investments that respond to rapidly-changing and unprecedented economic conditions, the real estate financing market is in danger of inciting a liquidity freeze. A market collapse of this magnitude would have catastrophic follow-on effects across the American economy.

 

[Norway]

I didn't quite understand that. You've seen censorship here?

I read it as people in this forum have seen a lot of censorship. This forum exist because of censorship on the Bitcointalk platform.
I have never seen censorship here. (But I have seen it on the BU Slack channel.)

 

[Zarathustra]

are all these medical professionals and researchers delusional?:

https://tv.youtube.com/watch/pOxCIQQyNGA?vpp=2AEA&vp=0gEEEgIwAw==

As long as they demand a shutdown of the GDP that needs a bailout that creates an additional 50% of government debt accumulated the last 200 years; yes they are as delusional as the politicians and their voters. With a tiny fraction of that amount of money you could solve that flu problem in much better way. Their solution is no solution, even if it doesn't lead to a total collapse this year. But it is at least a big step in that direction.


"There is no doubt that in order to ensure safety and conservatism during our health crisis we have to prepare and perhaps overshoot for the worst; however, the unintended consequence of responding to the pandemic is a pandemic of mistrust in our financial system. " Thomas J. Barrack

Aahahahahah ...., conservatism!
That is why the so-called conservatives disgust me even more than the socialists. Privatize profits and socialize losses. Where are all those conservatives now? All those pseudo-libertarian laissez-faire babble talkers?


Barrack endorsed Donald Trump during the 2016 United States presidential election.[38] He was a major fundraiser for Trump's campaign through the "Rebuilding America Now" Super PAC, which raised $23 million

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Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter because of shutdowns to combat the coronavirus, with an unprecedented 50% drop in gross domestic product.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Zarathustra]

@kostialevin
I have good news for you. Italy is at or already behind the peak. Why do I believe that? Because I always assumed that the infection rate is colossally underestimated (and therefore the mortality rate overestimated).

 

[AdrianX]

 

[cypherblock]

I have good news for you. Italy is at or already behind the peak. Why do I believe that? Because I always assumed that the infection rate is colossally underestimated (and therefore the mortality rate overestimated).

They've been under strict quarantine for 14 days. Herd immunity probably won't kick in until 40% population is immune, or ~400x the number of reported cases today.