Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.

[cbeast]

between sovereigns there is a sort of anarchy.

its not the same sort of anarchy that flips a dumpster or shills a token

Translation: anything not specified by statutes is within the definition of anarchy. Destruction is not anarchy at all, it is codified by statutes. In the thousands of years of civilization, pretty much everything is covered by laws. Enforcement is another matter.

 

[AdrianX]

Anarchy has never solved anything

The laws of nature which gave rise to human consciousness are Anarchic. The legislation "leaders" make to circumvent them lack understanding and knowledge and lead to unnecessary suffering.

Markets are a natural phenomenon that produces win-win outcomes they are Anarchic, and so are the inherent laws people identify in the process, (many of the laws we have are mislabeled and need to be removed as understanding evolves, the appropriate laws will never be removed they are inherently describing Anarchy.)

It's only your tribe's definition of Anarchy that "doesn't solve anything".

You need to develop your definition of Anarchy if you think it doesn't work.

Saying Anarchy doesn't work is like the 99% saying Capitalism doesn't work. Those critical of capitalism are 100% correct it's not working. Why? Because their tribe uses the wrong definition.

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it's not the same sort of anarchy that flips a dumpster or shills a token

That's the result of those who've been in control redefining a world. Anarchy has been branded to mean chaos disorder and mindless destruction. It's not by accident when you look at who's had control throughout history.

The word is now used by almost everyone to describe the absence of order, that's not Anarchy. Not even when people who want disorder paint an (A) on something they've vandalized. Anarchy is a robust system to create order.

The person who's best described how Anarchy the idea works and solves most of our problems through the use of Bitcoin is CSW in his Toronto CoinGeek interview. What people end up arguing about is not the ideas, but their own definitions of the words used to symbolize ideas.

Craig called it Capitalism. (LOL, he wasn't describing the same Capitalists that the antiCapitalists or non-Anarchists Anarchists are protecting. He was describing the Capitalism the Anarkerst want to help materialize.)

 

[go1111111]

Looks like the published list on Court Listener is the old list @shadders created based on probability.

The final list Craig Wright gave to court is still under seal.

This is the "CSW Filed list", not the shadders list: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf. It's pretty easy to verify which list it is, based on the court documents..

So a signed message calling CSW a liar and fraud came from an address on the list that Wright claimed was from an encrypted communication from the bonded courier, and whose private keys were allegedly controlled by the trust.

 

[cbeast]

The laws of nature which gave rise to human consciousness are Anarchic.

Interesting. So your philosophy claims anarchy is an observable effect in nature. It would be an interesting take on the Darwin vs. Lamarck debate. I would love to read a peer-reviewed paper on the subject.

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This is the "CSW Filed list", not the shadders list: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf. It's pretty easy to verify which list it is, based on the court documents..

So a signed message calling CSW a liar and fraud came from an address on the list that Wright claimed was from an encrypted communication from the bonded courier, and whose private keys were allegedly controlled by the trust.

So if I took your wife out for a spin sometime, that doesn't mean I want to own her. Stealing keys is not something new in the bitcoin space. Besides, that's not an official source. Playing gotchya isn't going to get you anywhere. You need to up your game.

 

[bitsko]

fuck off with the spam dcrypto.news

one thing about gold is you can form it into small pieces when the cost is high and usage increases.

with btc, when the cost is high and usage increases, the small pieces become unusable.

 

[79b79aa8]

It’s not about the tech (yet?)

This is a price chart for one of the top-25 cryptocurrencies, from Jun 2019 to May 2020: And here is another coin: One of them is Iota, which had a technical problem that resulted in no transactions confirming from February 12 until March 10. The...

gavinandresen.ninja

altcoins without a usecase
ICOs struck down by SEC
BTC-Lotto players holding on to their tickets, peddling outdated arguments and tough-talking
most investors will lose money in crypto, indeed.
@cypherdoc

 

[cbeast]

I'll be holding my BTC bags until BSV has killer apps to blow away the world. Then I won't care about BTC. Until then, their "store of value" argument is just as valid as BSVs hopeum. Yes, I've been looking at what's developed and while it may have potential, it's either not decentralized or lacks marketability. I'm not naming projects, but I am waiting for anyone on any platform to demonstrate the value of a decentralized app. Even better, just deliver some of the things that were promised by CSW years ago. I feel like I may be waiting many more years.

 

[79b79aa8]

i don't think the store of value argument holds water, but it is possible BTC carries on in its zombified way for quite a while. it will at the very least end up as a collector's item.
what do you mean by "decentralized"?

 

[go1111111]

Stealing keys is not something new in the bitcoin space. Besides, that's not an official source.

You're claiming that it's more likely that the keys have been stolen from the trust or the PDF is fake, than that CSW lied about owning them? What probability would you give to each of those possibilities (stolen keys, report is fake, CSW lying)?

 

[cbeast]

i don't think the store of value argument holds water, but it is possible BTC carries on in its zombified way for quite a while. it will at the very least end up as a collector's item.
what do you mean by "decentralized"?

Yep, a BTC works as collectible with secure transfer and a simple timestamp. Decentralized can mean trustless, or whatever you claim Bitcoin adds as value to an application that can't be done with traditional security means like PWD hashing. Honestly, I'm not impressed with anything from any crypto camp since provably fair card stacks and even those don't need a blockchain. Where's my flying cars?

 

[Norway]

I'll be holding my BTC bags until BSV has killer apps to blow away the world. Then I won't care about BTC. Until then, their "store of value" argument is just as valid as BSVs hopeum. Yes, I've been looking at what's developed and while it may have potential, it's either not decentralized or lacks marketability. I'm not naming projects, but I am waiting for anyone on any platform to demonstrate the value of a decentralized app. Even better, just deliver some of the things that were promised by CSW years ago. I feel like I may be waiting many more years.

Just know that those BTC bags can become very hard to move and lose value very fast. And storing them on an exchange has its own risk.

 

[torusJKL]

There are many who do not care to move the BTC on-chain and would be fine if you could assign/move the collector tokens off-chain.

 

[79b79aa8]

Yep, a BTC works as collectible with secure transfer and a simple timestamp. Decentralized can mean trustless, or whatever you claim Bitcoin adds as value to an application that can't be done with traditional security means like PWD hashing. Honestly, I'm not impressed with anything from any crypto camp since provably fair card stacks and even those don't need a blockchain. Where's my flying cars?

then 'decentralized' is not the right word. too much confusion has been sown around it. it is mostly used presently by small blockists to promote BTC. there is still a contingent of enthusiasts running hobby nodes in the conviction that they are helping to make the system more secure and resilient.

just recently, @solex and other BU devs claimed that development on BSV is centralized (as there is a single node implementation controlled by nChain). they prefer decentralized BCH development, in which competing teams seek a non-abusive governance mechanism by means of which to agree to biannual protocol upgrades.

to counter this, nChain answers that BSV protocol development is closed, so that individual businesses can build marketable applications on a stable foundation without worrying about or having to lobby for future changes -- which in their view brings genuine decentralization.

it is very clear to me which of those three senses of 'decentralization' makes the most economic sense.

i don't know about flying cars, but what do you think about Bitboss (blockchain infrastructure for the provably fair betting industry) or Kronoverse (networked gaming on the blockchain)?

 

[79b79aa8]

@go1111111 i would say it is quite pointless to try to discern from the outside what is at the bottom of a tremendously entangled case with incomplete, redacted, and deliberately distorted information seeping to the public. but when in doubt, follow the money. there is a reason for there being a lawsuit on whose outcome hang several hundred million dollars. no money, no lawsuit. neither part goes to a US district court on a whim, or takes it lightly to perjure themselves while on trial.

"but if he was satoshi, he could easily and definitively prove it [to my satisfaction]". he could. does not mean he is obliged to or it is necessarily to his advantage to do so -- whoever he is. absence of proof of X is different from proof of not-X.

 

[cbeast]

what do you think about Bitboss (blockchain infrastructure for the provably fair betting industry) or Kronoverse (networked gaming on the blockchain)?

I'm not a gambler, so I don't care much about it other than at least making it fair for the folks that do enjoy it. Their DNS replacement protocol is the obvious killer app and the reason I hold BSV.

 

[cypherdoc]

what's everybody's favorite BSV wallet these days? anyone else concerned with the direction ElectrumSV has taken and is anyone having any technical problems with it?

 

[79b79aa8]

I'm not a gambler, so I don't care much about it other than at least making it fair for the folks that do enjoy it.

neither am i, but the global casino industry had a gross gaming yield of ~130 billion U.S. dollars in 2018. if some chunk of that playing becomes provably fair and auditable on the blockchain, you might start to care in a different sense.

Their DNS replacement protocol is the obvious killer app and the reason I hold BSV.

please say more.

what's everybody's favorite BSV wallet these days? anyone else concerned with the direction ElectrumSV has taken and is anyone having any technical problems with it?

i can understand why electrumSV is going where it is going. future users of BSV won't be primarily worried about securing a stash, but about having a versatile accounting tool that manipulates a bunch of data.
i am thinking of continuing to run electrumSV 1.2.5, and keep it on a backed up machine that i will not update anymore.

 

[cbeast]

@79b79aa8
I just don't care about gambling and if it's a big industry, I consider that a symptom of the decaying economic system that will hopefully disappear one day.

I hope Bitcoin can do what Namecoin once promised to do, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[79b79aa8]

this sounds like a narrow view. to be interested in the adoption of a financial/technological product cannot mean to care or agree personally, morally or politically with all the myriad possible legal uses for that product. umpteen hundred million extremely nasty things occur through fiat transfers every day. yet we all (rightly) use fiat without compunction.

i think the gaming example (different from the gambling one) is pretty cool. this is one place where BSV starts siphoning off ETH usecases.

i never followed namecoin. but FWIW here is some info lifted from the wiki.

.bit domains have long been used to host malware. In July 2019, Namecoin's .bit namespace was dropped from OpenNIC. OpenNIC cited rampant abuse of .bit domains for purposes of malware and child pornography.

A 2015 study found that of the 120,000 domain names registered on Namecoin, only 28 were in use.

Blockstack co-founder Muneeb Ali on 12 September 2015 at the Blockstack Summit 2015 stated that the Namecoin network is not decentralized and the mining group Discus Fish controls 60-70% of its hashing power.

 

[bitsko]

I suppose I should pay closer attention to the electrum updates. Seed is gone now?

I keep it mostly up to date and once I re-read the readme the installations have been rather easy for me

Functionally I find a usb sticks have replaced paper backups, really not so different for me.