Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.

[rocks]

My understanding is Craig cannot or was not going to sell coins in the trust until after the court cases are resolved. Is that right? If so does this mean he could be starting to sell, or just moving coins, or they're not even his coins? BTC does look to be gearing up for another run post halving the same as always happens, grayscale trust and the atm firm apparently are buying all mined supply just between themselves due to the reduced supply post halving, but craig dumping his stash would change that.

 

[AdrianX]

The Universal Beer index.

When I started university the student pub sold (cheap) beer for ZAR 1.00 that's USD 0.05 or CAD 0.07 a beer with current exchange rates. It was about 40% cheaper than other pubs at the time (more expensive than drinking at home).

About 8 years ago a friend from back then visited me and we went to a hockey match, we paid CAD 16.00 for half a pint (less beer), the most expensive (cheap) beer I've ever drunk.

So as a global citizen of drinking age in ~20 years my savings have seen inflation of 22,757% when looking at the beer index (me being the datum). So 0.07 - 16.00 - Fuck the CPI it's a crock of shit. The money printers have been manipulating the global economy they have a perverted international trade collapsed economies and caused huge wealth disparity all in the name of price stability and a target 3% compound inflation rate.

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or they're not even his coins?

if they are in a trust then technically they are not his coins.

 

[lunar]

Crypto 'media' is trash, I'd be carful jumping to conclusions on any coin movements.

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[pafkatabg]

This was deposited yesterday, and it's supposed to be the Tulip trust addresses:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf

Block reward 66680 from 13 July 2010 with address 1Lgifz1ujJPUabzM7e25D8kKcpNqB9Czmc was spent on 13 May 2020:

Address: 1Lgifz1ujJPUabzM7e25D8kKcpNqB9Czmc

The most popular and trusted block explorer and crypto transaction search engine.

www.blockchain.com

I guess this court drama is about to end.

 

[Norway]

Very interesting. AFAIK, it's impossible to calculate the public key from a bitcoin address unless it has been used.

To me, this looks like proof that Craig was Satoshi. (I even checked a couple of the key/address pairs.)

Am I missing something? Perhaps public keys are exposed in coinbase transactions?

EDIT: Yup, the public key is in the script of the coinbase transaction. Nothing to see here.

 

[pafkatabg]

As far as I understood, Craig couldn't provide exact list in the past, but he was forced to provide something..The previous list, generated by @shadders and deposited in August 2019, had multiple addresses controlled by other people. The court insisted to get some list which contains Tulip Trust addresses, and what was generated seems to have had all of Tulip trust + some low % of random addresses. This new list was presented to the court and it became public on 21 May 2020. While I am not 100% sure, this one is supposed to be the real list of Tulip Trust holdings. I don't have time to read too much 'Legalese' on courtlistener.com

 

[Norway]

Looks like the published list on Court Listener is the old list @shadders created based on probability.

The final list Craig Wright gave to court is still under seal.

 

[BldSwtTrs]

@Norway According to Coindesk the list published on Court Listener is the one provided by CSW on May 21th:

Craig Wright Called 'Fraud' in Message Signed With Bitcoin Addresses He Claims to Own

Bitcoin keys from coins Wright claims to own were used to sign a message calling him a "fraud."

www.coindesk.com

bitcoin.com also mentions this May 21th list:

Craig Wright Submits List of Bitcoin Addresses to the Court - Roster Contains Spent Blocks – Bitcoin News

On May 21, 2020, the infamous Craig Wright submitted a list of blocks and bitcoin addresses to the Florida court.

news.bitcoin.com

And on Court Listener, Exhibit 7 is timestamped 05/21/2020:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf

 

[Norway]

This is fun. So, the Ira team published a list "inadvertently" on Court Listener. I see some interesting options here:
- Craig signed the message, making him an über-troll.
- The Ira team manipulated the list before they published it.
- Craig gave them a fake list.

 

[BldSwtTrs]

Ayre making up a new excuse tends to indicate that these addresses were in Craig's list:

And I don't think that Craig submitting a fake list to the Court would have been a wise move.

 

[Norway]

Ayre making up a new excuse ...

Please elaborate.

 

[BldSwtTrs]

Does it seem plausible to you that nChain employees have access to the private keys of Tulip Trust's coins?

(While the narrative so far was that even CSW didn't have access to them).

 

[Norway]

No, but it seems plausible that "Zectro" is Martin Sewell.

 

[cbeast]

Ayre making up a new excuse tends to indicate that these addresses were in Craig's list:

Also where he gets his dates. /joke

 

[cypherblock]

No, but it seems plausible that "Zectro" is Martin Sewell.

Sounds like you are just trying to bring down Zectro's reputation by associating him with a disgruntled employee without real evidence. There are a ton of people skeptical of CSW's claims and follow the court case closely and dive into the evidence.

 

[Norway]

Sounds like you are just trying to bring down Zectro's reputation by associating him with a disgruntled employee without real evidence. There are a ton of people skeptical of CSW's claims and follow the court case closely and dive into the evidence.

Not really. It was just referring to this comment by Calvin Ayre:

 

[bitsko]

I'm impressed by the diverse and dedicated team that has emerged to investigate craig wright.

I thought it would happen even earlier, but it seems timeframes are one of the hardest things to guess at.

 

[79b79aa8]

i'm impressed by the TAAL 5 year vision -- a sustained effort to transition from a subsidized economy to a competitive one, while large miners hope for rain and miracles at the exchanges. congratulations @digitsu.

we used to complain that miners did not own up to their responsibilities to the network, by allowing core devs to steer the economic system. but those were klondike miners, living large off a big fat subsidy with only hashrate, energy price and rent as variables to consider – as unsophisticated as it gets. it was never those guys who were going to make bitcoin a global economic success.

the present expectations of BTC appreciation seem based on the outdated premises of a subsidized era. timeframes are indeed one of the hardest things to guess at, so the expectations could still sort of pan out. while the economic meltdown takes out many potential investors, unaffected or benefited by it are those who hold the most wealth -- and they may still perhaps find BTC a good safe heaven vehicle. if only the system was not clunking at capacity, with the real thing breathing down its neck.

 

[bitsko]

Bitcoin as a gambling machine and bitcoin as a hedge on societal collapse don't need the bitcoin network to function. In the event of societal collapse the network may not even function, or may not function predictably.

Just that the bitcoin network ought to exist in some form to help justify the financial speculation.

 

[79b79aa8]

the BTC network is particularly vulnerable to DDoS, while the price of the token is volatile. it seems unadvisable to lock up significant wealth in it.