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torusJKL

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Overall I think Rick Falkvinge's video is good.

But it is obvious that he painted himself into a corner by talking against BSV in the past.

He almost acknowledges that BCH is a failed project by saying the the future will will shift "[...] to Bitcoin BCH or to Ethereum or to a dark horse that we don't know of today [...]". (time : 03:15)

 

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[doublepost=1579626049,1579625365][/doublepost]seriously, you just have to be impressed. 2008 GFC is but a long forgotten memory:

 
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Here is some news.

https://medium.com/@jiangzhuoer/infrastructure-funding-plan-for-bitcoin-cash-131fdcd2412e

It's a proposal to take 12.5% of the BCH mining reward and give it to developers.

I'll interpret that for you, it's socialism and cronyism rolled up and sold as anarchism. It'll result in more centralized control than we see with Bitcoin Core. The fact this could be considered is concerning. Respect for the bitcoin design, the past 10 tears and the design description aka the Bitcoin White Paper, is dwindling.

Interesting to see developers developing in the interests of their pocketbooks or the greater good. As a BU member, I don't support this change to the protocol. But fortunately, it's not up to BU it's ABC's call.

This is the same justification Adam Back used to justify Blockstream influencing development, only his evil plan was much more free market-driven.

Supported by:

Jiang Zhuoer — BTC.Top
Jihan Wu — Antpool, BTC.com
Haipo Yang — ViaBTC
Roger Ver — Bitcoin.com
 
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BldSwtTrs

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Is there somewhere where are summarized the drawbacks of P2SH and what are the benefits of removing it?
 
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The good old fundamental law of crypto strikes again: you get the opposite of what you have been told.

Anarcho capitalistic bitcoin cash executes a developer tax. And Amaury, in his black-yellow libertarian cardigan, smiles...

Why do they think it will work this time? Similar events, like zcash and devcoin, have been anything but a success. Like with all institutions ordered to give money away, it end as a mix of fear, greed and corruption. Especially libertarians should know this.

Does this make taxcoin more vulnerable?

I dont full crasp the mining economic. Will bch loose 12.5 percent of hashrate, or will mining be permanently less profitable for the governing miners? I guess the first.

A subversive miner will be 12.5 percent more profitable than the governing miners. And, if I understand this correctly, 12.5% more profitable than mining on btc and bsv.

An attacker can also try to double spend. Orphaning all miners, which don't pay taxes, creates a predictable 1conf double spend opportunity. Given the decreasing block rewards, it should not cost much more than 2000 dollar.

The longer an attack lasts, the higher the costs to orphan. The double spend could reach 3 or 6 confirmations, reorganizing the blocks will create mass confusion.

You get the opposite of what you have been told. What kind of drama did @Peter R and Emin and so on cast about the unpredictable orphans of bsv - and now they have to accept that bch introduces predictable and cheap orphan opportunities.

To maintain this regime, the Chinese miners must be very confident that they can quickly mobilize a majority of ALL sha256 hashes. And that they have enough resources to not just give Awa 12.5 percent of rewards, but also to be able to occasionally mine against a higher difficulty to govern the chain.

This is a message. Maybe it's also a test to dominate bitcoin.

Do you really want to have a couple of rich Chinese ceos, likely in dependence of the governments goodwill, be able to execute any rule they want?

The fundamental law of crypto. We, the bsv gang, always cheered for miners to use the power they have. That was the whole story of the hash war. Now bitcoin cash demonstrates this.
 

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The fundamental law of crypto. We, the bsv gang, always cheered for miners to use the power they have. That was the whole story of the hash war. Now bitcoin cash demonstrates this.

Yes, the miners have the power to

a) enforce the rules that are set in stone, or
b) to create new rules and therefore leave Bitcoin

Bitcoin miners will always choose a)
Shitcoin miners will choose b)
 

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What happens if Calvin Ayre mines a lot of BCH and refuse to pay developer tax? No money for devs?
They have solved that problem, they called the solution Check Points. Basically the BCH authority tells the exchange which BCH is legit and which is not, the authority is on the 12.5% parole that's used to justify the tax. It's all in the road map.
 
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The problem with "mining pays for development" is it has the completely opposite effect as intended and instead significantly reduces developer investment and interest in the chain.

The reason is simple, when there is a developer tax then only the developers on the payroll will spend time on the chain. All other developers across the world who are not on the payroll will not spend time on the chain. Why would you when another group is receiving money and controls the repo?

The miner funds effectively become a cap on investment, which forever limits the chain. And that assumes the centralized group who receives the funds are competent and efficient, if not its even worse.

This is definitely a sell-the-chain type event IMHO. Which has the benefit of allowing BSV to effectively flip and that event will force a lot of people to take a hard look at BSV and re-evaluate their positions.
 
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He's trying to orphane BU development.
How would todu proceed to debate this? Does he hold a white list of tribe approved members whose opinions are allowed? Is there even an approved k.o.l. (they call them key opinion leaders) list?

lol. should his non validating node have a vote?

lol.
[doublepost=1579752677][/doublepost]Quite the plot twist that Roger, instead of forking amaury, plans to entrench him.
 

torusJKL

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To ensure participation and include subsidization from the whole pool of SHA-256 mining, miners will orphan BCH blocks that do not follow the plan. This is needed to avoid a tragedy of the commons.
I wonder how that works together with the 10 blocks checkpoint.
What if some miners who don't donate create 10 blocks in a row? Does that mean they will not need to pay the donation and can't be reorged/orphaned anymore?
[doublepost=1579771168,1579770202][/doublepost]Mark explains it well.
This new rule is on the protocol level and is not only miner enforced.


And I didn't know about the "parking/unparking rule".
When the plan-following miners do build their chain, now it has to be 2x longer than the X chain. This is because of ABC nodes' "parking/unparking rule", where reorgs of >3 blocks require 2x the proof of work. So, they're at a serious disadvantage.