@Dusty As I understand it, the Lead Dev does have ultimate say in the sense that they can determine which BUIPs are a priority to implement, delaying others essentially endlessly by claiming lack of time. I guess the difference is that the proposals the Lead Dev wants to implement must pass member voting, so endless stalling/vetoing by some members is a possible failure mode.
Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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@Norway: I'll be there with 90% probability
Please let me know if you can make it.
I have booked a conference ticket. I'm *really* excited to meet everyone who's coming.Finally a Bitcoin conference I actually *want* to go to.
For accomodation I'm still looking. Maybe someone wants to share a B&B place? I don't fancy hotels much. Will be staying in Arnhem June 28th through July 2nd.
Anyone who wants to share a cozy place, please PM me so I can make suggestions.
This former Google engineer has a good point.
@Zangelbert Bingledack : That should become a sticky on rBtc.
I guess the labeling of their actions as 'evil' comes into play if one personally sees Bitcoin as more than a get-rich-scheme, but also a tool e.g. to lower corruption.
I guess the labeling of their actions as 'evil' comes into play if one personally sees Bitcoin as more than a get-rich-scheme, but also a tool e.g. to lower corruption.
We have this benevolent dictator model with XT and Classic. I like it but it's not one I can engage with, it works together with BU it creates more diversity. With the BU federation we will still get many of those benefits and we have voting members to add to the mix. (A verification I predict would not have failed where Core and XT failed in governing upgrades.)
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I don't like Jeff's attitude when he repeatedly talks to the people as if he were Jesus himself ("be good to each other, be good to each other!"). At the same time he speaks not good about we the people in general, as if he stands above those people:
And why the hell should libertarians be good to totalitarians? Even compromise with them?
And why the hell should libertarians be good to totalitarians? Even compromise with them?
Translation: "Blocks are so small that it only takes 14 kbits/second to keep up; even a mobile device can do it."
So...tell me again why we can't increase max_block_size?
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You know it perfectly: at 1.1MB Bitcoin ceases to be decentralized, and at 2MB hell freezes.
I could tell you what happens next but some kid could be reading this, and it would not be good.
I think Greg is just enjoying how much he can get away with at this point.
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Interesting interview of Trace Mayer about BIP 148
The scenario he is pushing is that since transactions on the legacy chain can "disappear" if the BIP 148 chain overtakes it - even 6 months down the line - that it would be irresponsible for Bitcoin businesses not to follow BIP 148.
He advises users to switch to wallets supporting BIP 148 "just to be safe".
It seems crazy to me, since I think that BIP 148 is _vastly_ riskier than following the longest chain. And it seems extremely unlikely that a minority chain would overtake the majority chain 6 months after a chain split.
It's strange, because some of his other advice is actually reasonable. For instance, advising that people should keep control of their own private keys, and pay attention to what their wallet software is doing.
It's like seeing the world through a crazy kaleidoscope. Some of the little bits of his message make sense on their own, but when you try to connect the whole picture logically, it just doesn't make sense.
The scenario he is pushing is that since transactions on the legacy chain can "disappear" if the BIP 148 chain overtakes it - even 6 months down the line - that it would be irresponsible for Bitcoin businesses not to follow BIP 148.
He advises users to switch to wallets supporting BIP 148 "just to be safe".
It seems crazy to me, since I think that BIP 148 is _vastly_ riskier than following the longest chain. And it seems extremely unlikely that a minority chain would overtake the majority chain 6 months after a chain split.
It's strange, because some of his other advice is actually reasonable. For instance, advising that people should keep control of their own private keys, and pay attention to what their wallet software is doing.
It's like seeing the world through a crazy kaleidoscope. Some of the little bits of his message make sense on their own, but when you try to connect the whole picture logically, it just doesn't make sense.
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that's exactly how I feel. This conference is my highlight for month, and I'm looking forward to meet you all (again).
About hotels: In arnheim 2-3 hotels accept Bitcoin, but I think I'm gonna just look on booking.com ...
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@Christoph Bergmann All hotels in Arnhem accept bitcoin if you book through Expedia.com. Almost all hotels in the world, actually...
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@Christoph Bergmann It's the same with Expedia.no, redirection.
You have to click something on top of the webpage to continue to the US site Expedia.com.
[doublepost=1496694775][/doublepost]But I think it's Hotels only. For plane, use cheapair.com.
You have to click something on top of the webpage to continue to the US site Expedia.com.
[doublepost=1496694775][/doublepost]But I think it's Hotels only. For plane, use cheapair.com.
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@Mengerian, this link should take you to a discussion and maths for the lesser chain overtaking.
(At least for a few days)
https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/G583BUJ7J/p1496678422313421
https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/G583BUJ7J/p1496705858180052
(At least for a few days)
https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/G583BUJ7J/p1496678422313421
https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/G583BUJ7J/p1496705858180052
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ALERT BU MEMBERS!
Just two more days to get the 50% discount on the conference "The Future of Bitcoin" in Arnhem.
Contact @solex to get the discount ASAP!
Just two more days to get the 50% discount on the conference "The Future of Bitcoin" in Arnhem.
Contact @solex to get the discount ASAP!
BU member or not, you should really go to this conference. And make sure you arrive in Arnhem at wednesday 28th of june. Because I organize the lamest VIP event ever to celebrate this very thread:
GOLD COLLAPSING, BITCOIN UP!
Buy your tickets and let me know if you come to this very informal yet historical significant event where it's ok to take a power nap at the table if you are tired from all the travelling.
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@Mengerian - It's almost as if he's not reasoned through the trivial ways that situation can be avoided.
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@Norway : I feel a little bad for not coming to the conference / meetup this time around.
If we can break the 1MB barrier and vanquish the notion of small block extreme consensus from Bitcoin, I hope to be there next time... (unless Bitcoin has crashed and is worth nothing
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If we can break the 1MB barrier and vanquish the notion of small block extreme consensus from Bitcoin, I hope to be there next time... (unless Bitcoin has crashed and is worth nothing
)In other news, Core developers are promoting their centralized governing body as the official process for proposed bitcoin changes.
What could go wrong when they are no longer able to block malicious actors and TPTB
luke-jr: "Lightning is part of Bitcoin, therefore should be using the BIP process."permissionless innovation . https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/183#discussion_r119752669
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6fway3/lukejr_lightning_is_part_of_bitcoin_therefore/
What could go wrong when they are no longer able to block malicious actors and TPTB
luke-jr: "Lightning is part of Bitcoin, therefore should be using the BIP process."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6fway3/lukejr_lightning_is_part_of_bitcoin_therefore/
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https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6fvzwp/bitcoindev_is_bubbling_with_confusion_dissent/
Wonderful example of the insanity prevailing on bitcoin-dev .
Kudos to Greg Slepak for trying to emphasize the importance of the lack of replay protection in BIP148 and similar ones.
Wonderful example of the insanity prevailing on bitcoin-dev .
Kudos to Greg Slepak for trying to emphasize the importance of the lack of replay protection in BIP148 and similar ones.
