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VeritasSapere

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I posted the entire conversation I had with Greg Maxwell. I did promise I would do so, for posterity and so that it is easier for everyone here to read and find this discussion. I might do a deeper analysis of this dialectic at some point, but most of the reasoning contained within is self evident.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/discussion-with-greg-maxwell.841/
 
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cypherdoc

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Soft forks, all of them, are hacks/tricks by definitions.

That said, even if PT is, maybe, helping killing SegWit as a SF, it is worth notice that at the same time he is saying that activation threshold for a any HFs should be 99%+ "measured over multi-week timespan".

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-January/012309.html
well then, a SWHF should be held to the same standard; 99% activation threshold. the PT fix of SW cutting off old nodes is a HF.
 
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VeritasSapere

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You are correct, thanks. I have adjusted it, ironically, for posterity. ;)

Its funny been saying prosperity this whole time, not realizing the difference in meaning. I suppose I figured posterity is for our prosperity. :)
 

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Could you have a dynamic activation point for a hard fork?

Perhaps 100%hashrate - (Size of largest pool +5%) This way no one pool could derail the process.

Edit: might work better 50%hashrate + (Size of largest pool +5%)
 

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I want every extra functionality and improvement of small transactions, immediate finalization with a guarantee and so on, done as a layer above the basic sound money bitcoin. (If necessary with a trusted third party service).

Joinmarket is a top example. The new joinmarket-gui
https://github.com/AdamISZ/JMBinary/blob/master/README.md
is glittering. No more sending coins to a mixing service that runs away when a large transaction comes by.

 
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sorry guys, had to change out my public key. let me know if there's a better place to post it here in the forum:

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sorry guys, had to change out my public key. let me know if there's a better place to post it here in the forum:
I got a Twitter DM from @cypherdoc containing this same key and the request:
can u verify my pubkey here for everyone with the one over in the gold thread?
Key verification is always tricky business. I guess I can verify that the same person controls the cypherdoc account here and on Twitter right now.

The key itself is weird though, with a claimed creation date in 2014.
 
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cypherdoc

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it's a key i generated in 2014.
 
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well then, a SWHF should be held to the same standard; 99% activation threshold. the PT fix of SW cutting off old nodes is a HF.
No it should just be held go their standards. They just don't understand why just 60% support for a HF on block size will result in 100% support. However a SWHF won't have the same network effect and will need almost 99% support. That's why are so fundamental about preventing on blockchain growth not just because the have a conflict but because it's the only leverage they have to integrate their changes.
[doublepost=1454183042][/doublepost]
I got a Twitter DM from @cypherdoc containing this same key and the request:


Key verification is always tricky business. I guess I can verify that the same person controls the cypherdoc account here and on Twitter right now.

The key itself is weird though, with a claimed creation date in 2014.
Hey @cypherdoc have you been compromised :) you know we don't follow you but the individuals who contribute to this thread... right ...
 
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[doublepost=1454183678][/doublepost]FFS, it looks like this was deleted from r/Bitcoin like in <= 1min:

cypherdoc2 2 points 6 minutes ago*

i think it is you who is being misleading. see bolded:

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 01:51:24PM -0500, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote: While Pieter Wuille's segwit branch(1) doesn't yet implement a fix for the above problem, the obvious thing to do is to add a new service bit such as NODE_SEGWIT, and/or bump the protocol version, and for outgoing peers only connect to peers with segwit support.

If I'm following the code right, the segwit branch has a fHaveWitness flag for each connection, which is set when a HAVEWITNESS message comes from the peer, and HAVEWITNESS is sent as part of handshaking. BIP144 suggests maybe this should be changed to a service bit though:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0144.mediawiki

If you've got a limit of 8 outgoing connections and >4 of them don't support witnesses,would it be enough to just drop a non-witness connection and try a new one?Or is anything less than 8 of 8 outgoing witness supporting connections likely to be bad for the network?

if i understand this right, SW nodes will now drop all old nodes off it's network effectively turning SW into a HF. so you can no longer call SW a SF. so in that sense, SWSF is indeed not safe. we should call it SWHF (hardfork). this doesn't help partitioning, this solidifies it.

what happened to all the FUD talk of the necessity of maintaining backwards compatibility with old nodes and the importance of maintaining consensus? this still does nothing to increase the % of SW nodes otherwise. and you still can't measure the % of p2p nodes who will or will not upgrade. and the long term strategy of SW is to adopt and scale "partially validating SPV nodes" which will only compound the partitioning problem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/43bgrs/peter_todd_sw_is_not_safe_as_a_softfork/

[doublepost=1454184303,1454183609][/doublepost]hmm. here's the above thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/43fadt/peter_todd_segwit_is_not_safe_to_deploy_as_a_soft/
 

cypherdoc

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why does that PR say "closed"? and why don't those have dates on them? is it old? be pretty stupid to change things now when already ~61 nodes are up and running.
 

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Now that we know the answer to the current pole (Classic is going with a 75% activation threshold), I'm curious to know people's thoughts on what is the best course of action if activation does not happen due to some Chinese miners acting as holdouts.

Poll: What is the best course of action if Classic does not activate?
https://bitco.in/forum/threads/poll-what-is-the-best-course-of-action-if-classic-does-not-activate.842/
Someone just mine a friggin largeblock.
 
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@cypherdoc:

In case you still have control of your old key but for some reason now fear that is compromised:

Sign the new key with it and sign a revocation certificate of the old key with the old key.
 

cypherdoc

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it's not compromised. it's an old keybase.io key. anybody else able to get that site working? it keeps asking for a pwd to sign something which i apparently forgot to record. never used it before. so i just pulled out another one i made back in 2014.