Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.

[Zangelbert Bingledack]

@rocks

It seems correct that giving control to parties where there is no way to guarantee protection from attacks is a problem, unless the control is of an illusory sort (for example, a bunch of nodes can be cooked up and choose not to relay a block, but does that Sybil attack really work if there remain plenty of nodes that will relay the block? Maybe the leeching makes it a problem, as you say; so many factors to think about here, really need a visual aid).

That said, if the only thing holding nodes back from doing such bad things right now is that the settings are difficult for users to adjust, I don't think making it easier for users to adjust really introduces a vulnerability. It just brings an existing vulnerability to the fore, so it can be dealt with earlier on.

 

[Erdogan]

Unlimited as default.

 

[theZerg]

Looks like we are settling on unlimited defaults with ability to configure. But we should come up quickly with some formal decision making process both to put issues to rest and so rocks can see that his point of view is considered by all. After all I think we are all here because this did not happen in core.

 

[Zangelbert Bingledack]

Another matter is that probably someone will release both versions: unlimited/easy-to-configure and unlimited/hard-to-configure. Which devs get behind which version may be the deciding factor in determining which is more popular.

However, since BU tracks consensus by default, does it really matter if user choice is fragmented between the two versions? It seems different than the fragmentation issue with BIP100 vs. BIP101, where the effective "vote" for smaller blocks is diluted.

 

[cypherdoc]

i think getting BU acceptance by the community will be easier with the single change unlimited version w/o configuration ala the original satoshi code.

 

[molecular]

I have a question: who took down the btctalk "gold collapsing bitcoin up" thread and was a reason given for the deletion?

 

[cypherdoc]

What do you mean by "took down"?

I'm still able to access it.

 

[Zangelbert Bingledack]

i think getting BU acceptance by the community will be easier with the single change unlimited version w/o configuration ala the original satoshi code.

Is it possible for the configuration option to be released as something like a mod/skin on Core (or BU or XT)? Like if you already have Core/XT/BU, you can download a separate program or plug-in whose only function is to let you easily configure the blocksize limit.

 

[molecular]

What do you mean by "took down"?

I'm still able to access it.

oh, I thought it was removed. I see it isn't.

So who locked it?

 

[cypherdoc]

BadBear with theymos blessing.

 

[molecular]

was a reason given?

 

[Peter R]

Here BadBear makes it sound like the thread was locked because it was too broad in scope:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157185.msg12199651#msg12199651

 

[Justus Ranvier]

Is it just me, or does this comment link work:


...but the user's profile page link doesn't work?

https://www.reddit.com/user/btcbarron

 

[cypherdoc]

Here BadBear makes it sound like the thread was locked because it was too broad in scope:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157185.msg12199651#msg12199651

By that definition, we'd been off topic for 4y.

 

[Peter R]

@cypherdoc : Yeah, it was a made up reason; The Wall Observer thread is equally broad in scope but was not locked. In my opinion, the thread was locked because it was getting so many views per day and because most of the thread's participants were pro bigger blocks and pro development decentralization.

 

[cypherdoc]

@Peter R

So I just went back and looked for one of my last posts in the thread where I calculated that the thread had recently doubled from 3500 to over 7000 views per day because of the reddit censoring.

It's been deleted.

That was a tactical mistake on my part in retrospect.
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[solex]

Interesting chart of the gold/silver ratio (gold line & right axis), and silver price (silver line & left axis) looks moderately bullish for silver. A similar ratio in 1996 did not spell a silver rally, but the shaky state of the world financial system might be enough to jump-start it this time.

 

[cypherdoc]

@solex

I sure hope not

My ZSL short is locked and loaded.

 

[cypherdoc]

I love these types of breakouts.

Just smash through all the negativity and disbelief.

 

[AdrianX]

@cypherdoc : Yeah, it was a made up reason; The Wall Observer thread is equally broad in scope but was not locked. In my opinion, the thread was locked because it was getting so many views per day and because most of the thread's participants were pro bigger blocks and pro development decentralization.

yip it sure looked that way when he locked it. It got moved soon after @cypherdoc mentioned the page views, very soon after it was locked. I thing theymos saw it as a Pandora's box, and the trolls were making an @$$ of themselves which wasn't helping there position.