I don't like any of this though. Whoever wins, the victory would be very bruising, maybe even Phyricc. There are good men on the other side who have been deceived by some misguided theology developed in 2013. If we are to win, we have to engage in the battle of ideas and try to persuade the bystanders and the more reasonable by addressing their theology and by presenting our maths/facts/logics etc. As with everything, ideas and ideas alone rule. We need a checkmate or we risk a forever stalemate.
I am afraid of the stalemate, too, but I do not see it so much with Bitcoin Classic. It is led by jtoomin with certainly a very strong contribution of and influence from Gavin, a clear 'bigblocker'. And 2MB is a clear victory against Core.
The only danger I see is smallblockian entering the dev team, slowly greggifying Bitcoin Classic. I hope Gavin learned his lesson and considers BC more as a player among many, with the old reference of Core currently on its way out.
Along those lines, I am somewhat worried about people such as Litecoiner /u/coblee, who's recently starting to flip-flop on blocksize -maybe he simply is drawn to power and wants to align with the more powerful faction, but maybe he wants to poison BC to give LTC more of a chance - or maybe he's just genuinely changing his opinion. I am skeptic, and I certainly grew more cynical after seeing the BS debacle and being part of the (still ongoing!) war. He should have certainly get some negative creds from his smallblockism and his clear conflict of interest. I'll also still give him (somewhat) the benefit of the doubt. We'll see.
@awemany
That link feels like stepping into a time machine and finding yourself in like 2012 or 13.
A lot of well-known people post there. Among others, I have seen Mike, maaku and gmax over there. However, many there do have this (quite arrogant) self-understanding of being the elite of tech. I do think this is unwarranted, and as you said yourself, that thread is oozing ignorance.
Also,
@cypherdoc, as you repeatedly said 'you don't know the industry so much': This is
You're in Oakland, right? Those are the people around you
[...]
that first post betrays how most ppl feel towards Bitcoin. his first reason is simply pure envy. his second reason is a misunderstanding (perhaps intentional) about the trade offs btwn electricity use and the existing costs of fiat financial infrastructure and fraud. finally, you can see he watched the entire growth and price ramp of Bitcoin in pure astonishment and perplexity reflecting a deep misunderstanding (probably listening to Maxwell):
[...]
Yes, indeed. However, I think much more than the (probably paid) trolls on reddit, it is probably worthwhile to fight the sentiment over there, as, as others have said, that site has influence and is taken 'serious'.
It gives a glimpse into the wider outside world, and the vast ignorance that is still persisting. It does indeed help to explain the bubble nature of Bitcoin, with the media and some weird, only partially controllable word of mouth propaganda between people playing a large part.
I think the part in Mike's article about that, the loss of information for investors, seems to be quite accurate unless you are reading the relevant sites and fora. Along those lines, I agree that
@Zangelbert Bingledack is probably right in his assessment that this is a buy signal. Unless we somehow are mass deluded on here, which I like to ponder about from time to time, but do find it highly unlikely.
Many people are also unable to understand and comprehend a dynamic situation. Huge amounts of electricity *are* being squandered right now but that is because the block reward is so high. We (by which I mean those that do) have to stop thinking like it will be there forever.
Agreed, and I think the long-term equilibrium with no block reward could be roughly the electricity needed to process transactions worldwide and provide sufficient transaction ordering capability or protection against double spends in other words. I have to say I am somewhat worried about the ecological impact, too, but that is also why I like that Bitcoin is not meant to have any block limit.
Hmmm, good point. They might have to take their blockchain private to guard against that. Maybe theymos could be in charge of overseeing miner permissions? Sometimes you have to abandon decentralization principles in order to save decentralization.
Along the idea of attacks: Before that, there might be huge DDOSses again to keep the 2MB from happening. I wonder whether it is prudent for all 2MB-mining or flagging nodes to prepare themselves by having a more distributed full node set on the globe, each.
I think it would make sense for people at the miners to have a fan out to a sizeable set of IPs in all kinds of datacenters worldwide. I hope they are prepared.
Wait, so Bitcoin Classic swallowed the social justice poison pill?
https://bitcoinclassic.com/codeofconduct.html
They are opening themselves up for in infusion of toxicity even worse that what we've already seen.
FWIW, here's what an codes of conduct from people who are actually interested in protecting communities from bad actors (rather than pushing unstated social agendas) look like:
http://hintjens.com/blog:108
This! The SJW-styled attack is very pernicious and underhanded. It will come along with words such as 'being reasonable, nice and
inclusive and
not a misogynist. This will
certainly be an attack that will be tried on Bitcoin Classic, as it is (unfortunately) highly effective.
It will probably start with a nice looking and not stupid woman innocently asking for help with regards to getting involved in Bitcoin Classic development. It might sound funny, but in today's climate I see that already a sign of danger. At that point: Be aware. Look at the Linux and the LKML drama. Look up Karen Straughan if you want a women with a brain talking clear-text about feminism. Look around.
I have some bad personal experience both with being blind to the feminist/SJW attack (and was way too patient with these folks for way too long) as well has having been badly burned by the effects of feminism.
I have seen stuff both from Gavin and Jeff that makes me wary that they
might have a blind spot and are not clearly seeing the dangers of the SJW/feminists/misandrist cesspool (or, rather: useful idiots?):
https://bitcointa.lk/threads/about-bitcoin-foundation-who-is-lindsay-holland-w-160k-salary-13k-month.440470/#post-10398863
So, yes, you are absolutely right, this is a danger, and I have the impression your and my post will be seen as prescient on where another attack on (important parts of) Bitcoin will come from.
