Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.

[Zarathustra]

correction, he endorsed censoring the entire BU non technical community; however the hell you define that.

Thanks, I almost forgot it.

The right of citizens of the Unlimited Bitcoin to vote shall not be denied or abridged on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

That's why that campaign failed miserably and there was no champaign to uncork.

 

[Christoph Bergmann]

leave it to the Bitcoin saboteur @freetrader to take my comment out of context and miss the point entirely. yes @freetrader, you're one of the child apparatchiks/anarchists I'm referring to. you're also the one and only dev I've known who insists on maintaining his anonymity after having split the community. i was missing using you as my doormat, you authoritarian endorsing statist :


[doublepost=1563890108][/doublepost]
correction, he endorsed censoring the entire BU non technical community; however the hell you define that.

Harsh words, but some truth in it.

1. Seems compared to fiat system, most cryptocurrencies are badly governed and offer a bad service. None worse than btc, which pushes legitimate users on strange layer two solutions with completely other backup, speed, trust, limit configurations. But hei, as tone vays tells, it's the only one with value, because core devs are decentralized, and its poisoned to eat the world.

2. It's really sad, but also true. I have so much respect for Andrew, Andrew, Andrea and Peter tschipper to keep this ship running. But with the canceling of support for bsv, they have basically pushed out many non technical people... I don't believe they wanted this, but I am disappointed they didn't prevent it.
[doublepost=1563920783][/doublepost]

I can partially confirm this as a local resident, who is following the topic. The most likely situation is that the government can't move the coins. They have seized computers with wallets installed, which are claimed to have huge balances. Most likely they have the encrypted files, which contain the private keys, but the criminals would not tell the passwords to unlock the private keys. I'd not be surprised if the criminals negotiate a perfect deal for themselves.

I am reading this thread for several months and I will most likely start to contribute with few posts per month soon.

Thank you. I reported about the case in late 2017 and was overwhelmed by the value of the frozen coins in relation to your countrs economy.

In my calculation the bitcoins have been worth about 20 percent of Bulgarian national.

But it was never clear if they have it, or have it not, and so I didn't known if I should take it serious. Thank your for the insight.

 

[freetrader]

Harsh words, but some truth in it

Please identify what you see as the 'truth' in Hodl's post. I'm curious, because the two points you followed up with didn't seem to relate.

The only true statement I saw in it was that I'm still anonymous. Woo, anonymous man bad, I hope Satoshi is listening. The cringe is off the chart.

 

[cypherdoc]

the truth is that all this is a lie:

So I suppose you're alright censoring a whole bunch of economic activity because you or your friends in the USgov get to decide they're "illegitimate".

Thanks for stepping out of the shadows, you censorship endorsing statist.

[doublepost=1563927422][/doublepost]oh yeah baby. poor @freetrader:

 

[cypherdoc]

please, pretty please:

https://ethresear.ch/t/bitcoin-cash-a-short-term-data-availability-layer-for-ethereum/5735

 

[79b79aa8]

saboteur

champaign

now that would be a plot twist.

 

[freetrader]

the truth is that all this is a lie

May I remind you that you're literally supporting the coin whose thuggish supporters cheered to Craig Wright (nChain's Chief Scientist) threat of "no trade for 2 years".

Anyone who supports that supports blanket censorship of economic activity, not just "illegitimate" but of the entire Bitcoin Cash community.

"you're alright censoring a whole bunch of economic activity" was perfectly accurate. This Craig Wright fella just unleashed your little inner statist.

And I'd be more surprised to find out that I'm Greg Maxwell than I would be to find out that Zarathustra is John Podesta.

 

[cypherdoc]

>May I remind you that you're literally supporting the coin whose thuggish supporters cheered to Craig Wright (nChain's Chief Scientist) threat of "no trade for 2 years".

I literally have no idea what you're talking about now . with unlimited blocksize, BSV will accept any and all tx's within 10m effectively, and continuing to support 0 conf and privacy through obscurity (volume). yeah, anyone committing money laundering, etc on BSV should look out as Bitcoin allows blockchain analysis; always has always will. but by my estimation, if someone wants to buy a hit on a street corner, they'll probably get away with it. and I don't have a problem with that.

>Anyone who supports that supports blanket censorship of economic activity, not just "illegitimate" but of the entire Bitcoin Cash community.

hyperbole

>"you're alright censoring a whole bunch of economic activity" was perfectly accurate.

such bullshit. I advocate nothing further than what is written and allowed by the original WP. history has shown that plenty of gambling and small drug business has gone on unfettered. but, if the authorities find such activities excessive, like SR, apparently they have the ability to shut these things down to a limited extent. I don't have a problem with that, especially when it hurts people. I pay my taxes from my coin profits. you sound like you don't.

 

[79b79aa8]

what kind of newspeak is this "censorship of economic activity" claim??? let's discuss pre-consensus and shorter block times instead!

buckling for two years of no significant economic activity (i.e. taking losses) while investing in the delivery of a finalized protocol expressed in industrial-grade software, building mining infrastructure, and promoting ecosystem maturity would appear to be an immensely better developed strategy than attempting to onboard end users to participate in an evolving system pulled in several directions by uncoordinated parties with wildly differing visions.

 

[cypherdoc]

btw, where in the BSV code does it say CSW can censor tx's?
[doublepost=1563941969][/doublepost]BSV has the clearest and most coherent road map of all coins. removal of the blocksize limit by February of next year will be the most profound and significant event in all of Bitcoin's soon to be 11y history. nowhere are there plans to deviate from the original vision. the public commitment is there for all to see. if they deviate, they die.

 

[cypherdoc]

tomorrow's 2GB upgrade is the next to the most significant event in Bitcoin's 10.5y history.
[doublepost=1563943347][/doublepost]I might as well start asking now. where are your 2GB large miner attack blocks @freetrader?

 

[Zarathustra]

what kind of newspeak is this "censorship of economic activity" claim???

Good question. It seems to me that 'anarcho' bolsheviks are not amused that the BitCoin economy is about competition on a regulated market and that they will never get that 'regulated market' is in fact a tautology. The coders want to be the rulers of an 'anarcho market'. Oxymoron incarnates.

 

[Zarathustra]

And I'd be more surprised to find out that I'm Greg Maxwell than I would be to find out that Zarathustra is John Podesta.

The maxwells and podestas of this world will be glad if the anarcho bolsheviks will enable them to transact and agitate on anon chains and systems, where their behavior can't be leaked anymore.

 

[satoshis_sockpuppet]

if someone wants to buy a hit on a street corner, they'll probably get away with it

Until some government agency wants to fuck you later.

The possibility of doing non-legal stuff is important for a free society.
Laws get changed because people do illegal stuff.

If guys haven't been fucking each other decades ago while it was still illegal homosexuality would still be a crime. Excuse my french.

 

[sgbett]

@cypherdoc, my point is that "BCH will hit the limit in 5 years" is not an issue for most of the crowd but only becomes an issue at the end of that 5 years.

wait... 5 years to get to sustained 32mb blocks!? thats kind of a ridiculous thought to anyone that is aware of what metanet is doing. I can tell you its much more than "BSV as filesystem" lol.

 

[sgbett]

Absolutely incredible that this should be necessary...


Core really did a number on people. Of course a developer imposed 32MB limit is totally different to a developer imposed 1mb limit

 

[cypherdoc]

Until some government agency wants to fuck you later.

nah, my bet is they won't bother with the little stuff that doesn't directly hurt anybody. like buying a hit or soliciting a prostitute. as evidence, look at how they handle fiat transgressions today; everything that can be recorded digitally gets recorded. that includes money tx's, sounds, videos, faces, etc. yet do little ppl continue to illegaly buy drugs, porn, guns? absolutely. and they get away with it. there's just not enough manpower to track everything down. law enforcement today is about effective deterrence. they know they can't stop all illicit activity but they want everyone to know, including little guys, that they could come after them if they really wanted to. and that is how it should be. if you rob someone, you should know that you will be pursued and pay the consequences.

 

[lunar]

"BCH will hit the limit in 5 years" is not an issue for most of the crowd but only becomes an issue at the end of that 5 years.

Meanwhile, in the real world.

 

[lunar]

Now including the worlds largest live block to date.

https://www.bitfire.io/blocks/592605
Byte Size: 147,568,251
Transaction Count: 27,117

 

[kyuupichan]

Yes, I guess you can IBS with CTOR as well. When the block finalizes you need a final sorting step and build the Merkle tree. That's perfectly parallelizable so that scales as well. But this work is not incremental like the streaming of transactions is.

Au contraire, it is incremental, unlike CTOR, and this is why you shouldn't depend on a shitlord.