Censorship of 'Generalized version bits voting' BIP proposal on bitcoin-dev? [resolved]

[SanchoPanza]

It seems that my first submission to the bitcoin-dev mailing list has been filtered away.
The full text of the proposal is at
It is also in more easy-to-discuss format on this forum at
https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bip9-generalized-version-bits-voting-bip-genvbvoting.1968/

The full mail headers below show that the mail was not flagged as spam (X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=4.0).

Return-Path: <bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
X-Original-To: sanch0panza@protonmail.com
Received: from mail.linuxfoundation.org (mail.linuxfoundation.org [140.211.169.12])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client
certificate requested) by mail2i.protonmail.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B75F3C4B1C for
<sanch0panza@protonmail.com>; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:41:28 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mail.linux-foundation.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249A6978 for
<sanch0panza@protonmail.com>; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 03:41:27 +0000 (UTC)
Authentication-Results: mail2i.protonmail.ch; dmarc=none
header.from=lists.linuxfoundation.org
Authentication-Results: mail2i.protonmail.ch; spf=pass
smtp.mailfrom=bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Authentication-Results: mail2i.protonmail.ch; dkim=none
Subject: BIP proposal: Generalized version bits voting
From: bitcoin-dev-owner@lists.linuxfoundation.org
To: sanch0panza@protonmail.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html
Message-Id: <mailman.29054.1490758885.31141.bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 03:41:25 +0000
Precedence: bulk
X-Beenthere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
X-List-Administrivia: yes
Sender: bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Errors-To: bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=4.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,
MIME_BASE64_BLANKS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham
version=3.3.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail2i.protonmail.ch
X-Pm-Origin: external
X-Pm-Transfer-Encryption: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)


-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: OpenPGP.js v2.3.8
Comment: http://openpgpjs.org
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=SRx7
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

I hope that the mailing list admins will search their bin buckets, but if they don't, I'll have to write this off as an instance of censorship or extreme incompetence, the former of which I've heard reports but never believed.

 

[SanchoPanza]

I have decided, 2 hours ago, to send an email to the BIP editor, Luke-jr, as follows:

Dear Luke-jr,

I would like to know why my draft BIP below is not appearing on the mailing list after I submitted it.
Thank you for your assistance.

Sancho

This should hopefully clear up the confusion. Maybe there are too many mailing list posts like mine awaiting moderation. My donkey is thirsty.

 

[AdrianX]

Oh the irony, If I were to see a benefit to this this proposal this ideal should appeal to Core consensus governing process. It reduces friction to making developer changes.

I on the other hand am in favor of strategies that add friction to making protocol changes. But I'll reserve my comments until I can read more on the topic.

 

[SanchoPanza]

No response from the BIP editor yet on the above enquiry... it has now been 16 hrs.

 

[SanchoPanza]

 

[SanchoPanza]

I am a little shocked at the behavior of the BIP editor.

Here is my counter-offer. I will re-submit tomorrow, until then whoever wants to can contact me to be included in CC or BCC to witness that I have submitted it.
[doublepost=1490886399,1490885689][/doublepost]

 

[SanchoPanza]

I did not know that the bitcoin-dev list is run by wizards.
I much prefer sourcerers.

I noticed I'm starting to get "moderated" on that /r/Bitcoin thread.
The main reply of mine to kanzure's comment did not appear yet. The secondary one did - I learned something. It is a pity, because I had a very enjoyable conversation with /u/nagatora , even though we disagreed.

EDIT: it seems they have released the longer reply from moderation.

 

[SanchoPanza]

I have just resubmitted the proposal to the mailing list.
The only change to the submission text was the bolded part

Please find below a [resubmit of my] proposal for a new informational BIP provisionally named 'bip-genvbvoting'.

Thanks to @Tom Zander for agreeing to be in CC .

Here are the mail headers of the sent mail, without the PGP-signed blurb generated by Protonmail.

Subject: BIP proposal: Generalized version bits voting
From: Sancho Panza <sanch0panza@protonmail.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:44:42 -0400
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html
To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: luke_bipeditor@dashjr.org <luke_bipeditor@dashjr.org>, tomz@freedommail.ch <tomz@freedommail.ch>
Message-Id: <Wvt-vHC39OGGM6xv8ZvXlQkcN87wqaHfKlbb4pAWsJHANjKYAWW8OEtNAgI6f2LZ1UJyz2eeuPrrIRZ6FszcDa3c9JTuQse8KULMpgLr9kM=@protonmail.com>

As before, I received a quasi-immediate reply echoing the full submission. Here are the headers of that (again without the lengthy PGP blurb):

Return-Path: <bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
X-Original-To: sanch0panza@protonmail.com
Received: from mail.linuxfoundation.org (mail.linuxfoundation.org [140.211.169.12])  (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail3i.protonmail.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40EBD268 for <sanch0panza@protonmail.com>; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:44:52 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mail.linux-foundation.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2A595D for <sanch0panza@protonmail.com>; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:44:50 +0000 (UTC)
Authentication-Results: mail3i.protonmail.ch; dmarc=none header.from=lists.linuxfoundation.org
Authentication-Results: mail3i.protonmail.ch; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Authentication-Results: mail3i.protonmail.ch; dkim=none
Subject: BIP proposal: Generalized version bits voting
From: bitcoin-dev-owner@lists.linuxfoundation.org
To: sanch0panza@protonmail.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html
Message-Id: <mailman.30093.1490985889.31141.bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:44:49 +0000
Precedence: bulk
X-Beenthere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
X-List-Administrivia: yes
Sender: bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Errors-To: bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=4.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail3i.protonmail.ch
X-Pm-Origin: external
X-Pm-Transfer-Encryption: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)

 

[SanchoPanza]

 

[SanchoPanza]

UPDATE: My proposal has now been listed (third time's the charm):

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-April/013969.html

Some explanation, and correction from my side:

I no longer think the initial two submissions were censored. I believe something went wrong with my initial attempt to register to the list, and I was not properly subscribed contrary to my expectation. After another user pointed out to me the kind of messages I was supposed to have received, I tried to register again, and received a subscription confirmation. My 3rd attempt to submit was consequently confirmed to have been placed in moderation, and listed a few hours later.

My apologies to any mods who were offended by my initial assumption that my submission had been censored. In my defense, there was no indication to the contrary, and the reply from bitcoin-dev-owner led me to believe that the mail had been well received by the system.

I think this could have probably been avoided by several improvements:

1. display a prominent message on the list's information page that unless you have received a "Welcome to the "bitcoin-dev" mailing list', you are not subscribed and your submissions will not be accepted.
   
   
2. A message on the information page that unless you have received a "Your message to bitcoin-dev awaits moderator approval" reply, your posting has NOT been received by the list.
   
   
3. a reaction from the BIP editor upon enquiry about what happened - at least if he had forwarded it on to the list admin, it would have become apparent very soon that I was not properly subscribed and that this was likely the reason for not accepting the submissions.
   
   
4. A reminder in the echo response mail from bitcoin-dev-owner that to post to the list, one must be accepted as a subscriber first.